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Welcome to the Win Today podcast, a weekly tool intentionally crafted to help people enhance performance, feel inspired and conquer life. Our commitment is that you will learn from some of the most disciplined, heartwarming and inspiring people on the globe, in addition to receiving a piece of a winning playbook from myself or a renowned expert in their field. My name is Ryan Cass and I'm your host, and it is my purpose in this world to inspire people to establish a foundation for sustained success by developing systems that will enable you to accomplish your goals, break systemic trends of adversity and chart a desirable course for life. Thank you so much for tuning in. Please help us achieve our vision of becoming one of the top podcasts in the world by subscribing to the show, sharing it with somebody who you believe will benefit from it and leaving a review. Let's connect with our guest. Hey, everyone, we've got a guest appearance. I'll be on the other side of the mic today.
Speaker 1:I was recently on the Cameron Brown show. Cameron is someone I've known for several years, also a fellow alumni of the Citadel, and he's someone that I've always seen from afar that hustles. He's a hustler. He's dabbles between entrepreneurship, corporate figures out a lot of ways to innovate things and test out new waters, and that's really what I appreciate about him, and when I saw that he was launching a podcast, or recently launched a podcast, and asked me to be on, it was an honor. But also didn't even hesitate because I know what Cameron has in him. I believe that he has all the ability to grow his show into something big, something that a lot of people latch onto.
Speaker 1:He's a great interviewer and this was a fun one. We dabbled into a little bit of everything which is symbolic of Cameron. He can jump from, let's just say, the left end of the spectrum to right end of the spectrum and cover everything in between, and do it very well. So check out Cameron, support him. He's already doing in-person interviews. I'm really proud to see where he's going and I want you guys to support Cameron. So all of his info will be linked in the show notes. This is the Cameron Brown show. Thanks for tuning.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you coming on and I'm really looking forward to getting back into this conversation. You've we've known each other for a number of years now and, frankly, I feel like we haven't communicated enough over the last however many years it's been. But both of them visited all. When did you graduate? 2015, may 15th, I guess. Ok, and did you graduate 2015. 2015. Okay, and did you start working in billing right after? Yep?
Speaker 1:Okay, I started in St Louis and was there for a year and a half and then got sent back here. Cool, what did you do in St Louis? I started in the business rotation program. So the way it's structured is every four months you're in a different role, so like for two years, right is every four months you're in a different role, so like for for two years, right? So basically it's six internships. And first rotation was on the f-15 fighter jet program as a finance analyst and thought I wanted to be a you know finance strategy guy, like a sexy strategy cfo. And when I saw a fight you know i-15 up close for the first time, it's like instantly decided like I got to shift my career path and do something that aligns more to operations and being by the airplane.
Speaker 2:So super cool. Did you ever consider a military path, and at what point did you shift? Yeah, Because I was like going into it. So I applied to the Naval Academy. That was my like everything before the Citadel. I got weightless. The Naval Academy that was my like everything before the Citadel. I got weightless at Naval Academy and I was like, okay, now I guess I got to go to Citadel to figure it out. And then I ended up applying for an Air Force contract my senior year. It didn't end up working out for medical reasons, which is unfortunate. But just kind of curious to know your path because I feel like a lot of the guys have a similar story or end up going into some kind of public service.
Speaker 1:Yeah, interestingly enough, I wanted to go to the Naval Academy. Cool Thought, that was the coolest thing ever. Same had an uncle that was high up in the Navy. Unfortunately, in high school my grades discipline didn't align, didn't have all the accolades, and so Citadel, I still think, just pulled my name out of a hat. Still don't know how I got in, but you know, when I was there, I was, was there. It's like, yeah, definitely. I mean, how could you not have those thoughts? But then had a few internships and you know, a lot of progress was made on the business side of the house and just thinking about life, it's like all right, I don't want to put this on pause, let's keep going. We got some momentum, so I don't regret it, but definitely had the thoughts cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. It's like also, I mean annapolis and char and Charleston, right. And when I visited West Point, I was like, okay, this is definitely like I can't be here for four years. Once again, I might not have even gotten in had I applied, but at the same time it's like I know I can't be there for four years. Annapolis I could have done for 10 years. I love it there. Same thing with Charleston. I'd come down and be like, okay, like I can, I can go to school here. But then you go to the citadel and you're like, okay, I'm not really experienced at charleston, which is why we're probably both still in charleston too for a number of reasons. But that's one of my main reasons is get to actually experience charleston for what it is.
Speaker 1:Yes, super cool, super enjoyable I tell people the experience at citadel, I'm like, yeah, I got, there's a local penitentiary on lottery street that's exactly served four years, yeah certified time now, now, now I get to be a resident, now we get to be residents exactly now.
Speaker 2:Now we need to enjoy charleston, exactly great, um. So now you're, you're um, I don't want to like ask like the boeing question, like working at boeing yeah, obviously crushing it there um, how have things been, though? Like recently and was in boeing and all big corporations and companies over time had their ups and downs, but how is how things kind of been with just like the recent news and everything else going on with boeing?
Speaker 1:yeah, um, like I've been in the news a lot lately, we're pretty popular, not for the reasons that we should be popular, for, you know, previously it was yeah, if it's not mowing, I'm not going. Now there's articles saying if it is bowing, I'm not going, and it's, and it's unfortunate, right, you know, it's on the inside, it's, it's brutal. The magnifying glass is is on, and rightfully so. Right now, when the things that have occurred occur, well then it makes people like go dive deeper in there. So, as of recent, you know, there's been a lot more scrutiny, a lot more reviews. I like to flip the script, look at it positively. Hey, this means that we get an opportunity to make some necessary changes, get better for the long run, you know, and what I do like to remind people is that we still have there's millions of flights every week, every day, but all it takes is that one, you know, and it's unfortunate, but true, yeah which makes, like y'all's jobs that much more important yeah as well.
Speaker 1:So the way I look at it, you know, even in a leadership role, I tell the my team every day like all it takes is one and that starts with us too, and the people that we're helping out like takes one of us and takes us providing great service, and this is how we turn this plane around, right?
Speaker 1:I was going to say turn the ship around but turn the plane around literally Funny. I view it from the positive side, as a awesome leadership opportunity, but the reality is, yeah, it's, it's brutal right now it's tough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure it's also. It's just it's wild, because you can be once again a massive company like that and do everything right for so long and to your point, it's like one thing that is wrong. One bolt bolt literally comes out of the door and all of a sudden things go downhill. I feel like everything at that point, though it's not just that plane or that situation, it's everything else that the company is doing is then under much more scrutiny, and so now they're looking at everything else with a magnifying glass, and so that's been kind of interesting to watch, where it seems like everything bad happens the next week. One bad thing happens and everything else bad happens the next week, and I feel like that's also like, to a certain degree, life for everybody. But one thing happens and it feels like 10 other bad things happen that week, and I'll sometimes think is like is that because we are? We are focused on the bad thing, right? Are we so focused on the negative thing that we think that everything else happening around us is negative too? Um, so I'm just that. That's some one of those things I thought about a lot as of late. It's like when that thing happens and all of a sudden, it seems like everything else is going wrong.
Speaker 2:I feel like nowadays, too, online content being shared companies doing you know, you know, having issues people love to to criticize for a week and then they jump on to the next thing. That's always wild to me. I'm like, okay, there's, they don't care anymore. We could I mean once in a plane, could literally go down the next week. It'd be something else and that's, I don't know it's. Are we just like that? Um, is our attention span really that short now? Is it that bad? I'm curious to know your thoughts on that, because it's like I feel like anybody nowadays who's trying to accomplish things, like you are, and obviously we'll kind of dive into more of what you're doing in addition to work obviously a lot of really cool things and you're working your butt off, but it seems like attention spans nowadays are super, super short.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, research shows that we have 50,000 to 80,000 thoughts a day and fortunately, we're not conscious of all those thoughts, or else I think all of our brains would just explode, right, but yeah, we're inundated with the news. It's what's the most happening thing today. I just found out today, apparently, oj simpson died yesterday. Did he really? And I'm, why is this not all over my instagram or facebook feeds? Not that I checked those a ton, but you know what, the next week, people won't be talking about it, right? I didn't know it happened. There you go, but you know it's like, hey, I just think about.
Speaker 1:I envision a world where it's like, hey, we talk about, like, all the amazing things that are happening, man, like, yeah, the I don't know the olympics are coming up, the boston marathons this monday, right, all sorts of things. So you know to. To go back to your question and I guess the, what I would encourage people is, even with the prevalence of negative news and feeds like, what's the good in this? That's what I challenge people to find, right? Or if you're in that moment, or if you're in that bad moment like yourself, hey, what's the good that's that could come from this and seek to find the positives. But yeah, I believe we live in a world that uh negativity and the the door plugs falling off, that drives more press and attention, or discussion and eyeballs and let's talk about that, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's wild, yeah, and you're, I mean. So on the other side of this right, you're in the realm of motivation and helping people to pay off their college loans and financial management and that side of things too. So before we go into that, I'll let you kind of give a little bit of background on the other things, the other really cool projects that you're working on as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So where my heart's really at is outside of Boeing. You know I wear a few hats. I launch my company one day W-O-N day because I believe when you know we all say like one day I'm going to accomplish this goal, one day I'm going to buy my house, all this stuff, like when that day comes, that's a win. So one day W-O-N and been doing that since 2019. But really, you know where my heart, my heart's at, cam is.
Speaker 1:I come from a family with the systemic trend of alcoholism, mental and emotional abuse. I started playing middleman between my parents when I was six years old. As early as I could remember, my dad struggled with alcohol. It's something that's just been passed down the family line and I remember at a young age there was a particular incident at home and and cops showed up and everything not to dive into the details and I promised myself as a, as a young boy, I was like dude, I'm not gonna be the next one to carry this on the family and do something different and discovering the world of personal development, goal setting, setting, like looking back on life.
Speaker 1:I'm like, damn, what's something that they don't teach in schools? Or what are we not talking about enough Like, hey, here's how you can shift your way of thinking to find the positive, here's how you can take control of your mindset. So, outside of here, yeah, I've got one day, which I do, public speaking, inspirational, motivational, speaking about how to build systems that enable you to accomplish your goals. Got the Win Today podcast. Got a scholarship that is that targets young adults going to college that are seeking to break generational curses in their families going to college that are seeking to break generational curses in their families you recently.
Speaker 2:So you've done that a couple of times, yeah, didn't you recently?
Speaker 1:get it out, though I'm going to launch it again for the 2024 year shortly, yeah, but you gave out 2023,.
Speaker 2:I guess already yes.
Speaker 1:Okay yeah, so 2022 and 2023.
Speaker 1:So two years now Two years now, so this will be year three. They have awarded $13,000 worth of scholarships to kids that are committed to breaking the trends in their families and you know I wish I will. Now I look forward to the day where that that number becomes 100,000, a two million, three million, because when you read the applications, the hardest part is narrowing it down. To now, eight people there's been over 130 that have applied and their stories are are heart-wrenching but really like going back outside of here. I simply am committed to showing people my heart and showing them how to really just take control of their mind, and you can do anything you want when you're intentional and focused and write your goals down and look at them every day.
Speaker 2:So 130 applicants. I know a lot of you. Probably the way that you get the word out there is through your online presence and through conversations and referrals and all the above. But how have the majority of those people come to you, I guess is kind of my big question. How have they gotten in touch with you and heard about your program and your scholarship? And maybe how can other individuals who are experiencing the same things in life and who are looking for something like this, how can they get in touch with you to learn more about the opportunity?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we're looking for something like this, happy to get in touch with you to learn more about the opportunity. Yeah, and so the scholarship. I put it out in the spring every year and that's for seniors in high school and North and South Carolina. Now I'm going to add one more state this year. That's one of my goals, so we'll go into Georgia, but really it's a combination of putting it out on my social media networks and then literally going on Google and looking up every school district and emailing the academic counselors from every school that I can possibly find. And here's what I'm doing Please encourage your students to apply, and then the word just spreads from there.
Speaker 2:That's great. And how many podcasts have you done now, because I mean you've been doing the podcast for a while. Yeah, how many podcasts have you done at this point?
Speaker 1:As of Monday. This coming Monday, we'll release episode 144. That's crazy, so awesome. It's been three years, but now 83 weeks in a row without missing a Monday so wild.
Speaker 2:Just just keep going, man. Do you so this? And I say one of the main reasons too, that I appreciate you coming on so early on in my podcast journey Um, cause I'm watching, listening to and seeing yourself on social media for years now and I'm like this guy is more consistent than that 99% of the population. I think one of the biggest things I respect about you is your general consistency. Where some people will stop after what, is it at 7 or 10 with podcasts? Yeah, 10. The vast majority of people stop after 10. Yeah, and I think having people around you that are going to push you to actually get to that point is huge, and not many of us have people that actually do that right.
Speaker 2:The people that support us when it comes to our goals and our aspirations don't actually push us to get there, right. They say they support us, they don't actually push us, though, and I think that is very rare to find in people friends, family, et cetera where they're actually like, hey, I'm gonna do whatever it is that's needed to get you to that point. I know it's your goal, so you to that point? I know it's your goal, so I'm going to go out of my way to support you. Um, so what if you found 140, 150, 160? You're gonna, you're gonna get to 200 here shortly, right? Um, what have you found has been super helpful in keeping you consistent, uh, and I'm sure mindset mentality has been huge, yeah, um, but uh, internally and externally, what are those external factors been that have supported you in getting this book?
Speaker 1:yeah, so a few things. One, I'll start with the internal, and just here's a hack for everybody and for you too. Man, I'm so stoked for you like you're already, within your first 10 episodes, going straight to video in person, like dude, just here's the thing. Don't stop, don't stop seriously, don't stop like in it. You know and even listening to your first episode how there was some audio technicalities like that's all stuff you look back on and you're like man, like then.
Speaker 2:It allows you to see how far you've come and to imagine, I I almost didn't like even launch it and I was like, hey, like the audio wasn't great.
Speaker 1:But first didn't do it did my first episode. Compared to yours, mine was horrible and you might even think that about yours. But I promise you like I tell people like, don't go listen back to my early episodes. Actually, if you do, then bless your heart and I appreciate you, appreciate the views, but just get going, man, and it's so. So going to it OK. So how can one become more consistent?
Speaker 1:Two things that have helped the podcast. One here's a hack Forty, 42, 70, and 90. Those are my three favorite numbers. So I made it a goal to launch the podcast in 2021.
Speaker 1:Just by writing something down and looking at it every day, you're 42% more likely to accomplish it when you put it out there in the world or tell somebody about it. So, now that I know what you're working to accomplish and it's a goal of yours, studies show you're 70% more likely to accomplish it because you value being a person of your word. You're not going to put something out there because I know you and then not do anything about it. When you repeatedly share your goal to somebody or a group of people, studies show you're 90% more likely to accomplish it. So for me, putting it out there, writing it down, looking at it every day. And now I'm just keeping the count of how many weeks in a row and that's what keeps me going and telling people hey, this train isn't stopping when I put those posts out there now yeah, 144. Hey, 200 is coming, 300 is coming.
Speaker 1:The more I've done that and it's uncomfortable at first, like hey, now there's people out there, I'm not gonna go against my word. And then what? The other thing that keeps me going is I never know who all is tuned in. I mean, I know there's some people that listen to every episode, but, but I think the beautiful thing about being committed to something like this or just to helping others, putting a resource out there you never know how many people you're impacting and people that I don't even know now are starting to reach out.
Speaker 1:Hey, I tuned into your podcast and really appreciated the message with such and such Like holy smokes. So now I'm thinking, okay, not only am I telling people I'm not going to stop, but then I'm hearing from people I don't know how can I possibly stop now? That's really how I believe anybody can build momentum and develop consistency. Like write it down, tell people about it, remind people about it, put it out there. I promise you're probably going to help at least one person, and that's all you need to do in this, in this world, and nobody really talks about how uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:it can be early on too, right, and I, uh, I think with doing anything you're, there's always a period of being super uncomfortable and trying to figure out if you're doing the right thing for yourself and for people around you and for the community and for the world, and you're like, okay, Ultimately we get in our heads about it a little bit too much. Or it's like, hey, it's really straightforward. In the early stages too, it's really not a big deal. But you will determine how big of a deal it is based off how much work you put into it and it can become a much bigger deal and you ultimately can have a much larger impact. But you're not going to do that off of two or three, three episodes. It's going to take some time. And it's going to take some time and that has been one of the biggest things for me in anything is it's hard looking back on some of the things that I've failed at or I'm like I feel like I kind of give up a little bit too early. But it can take three, four, five, six, 10, 20. It can take a long time for things to maybe work out like you want them to work out, and I say all that, to kind of ask this question of what is the goal, right, what is your ultimate goal with this? Because success is subjective across the board. So what do you kind of see as like your success in this and I say in life in general, but it's a deep question, right, yeah, what do you see as your success? And we're also going to handle your 100-mile here shortly. It's freaking wild.
Speaker 2:I also just ran the bridge run this past weekend and I was like I was just, honestly, I thought as I got to the top, I was like there are other people, I was like man Ryan, I was like man ryan, I'll just rain this thing like 50 times, 20, 20 times, but to equal 100 miles, yeah, I was interested at once. I've done it over and back before. That's a. It's a killer, right? So, uh, so what does success look like for you? And I'm kind of just talking all over the place. What does success look like for you?
Speaker 1:and then let's talk about the hundred mile after that yeah, how I define success and then where I'm going, and then we can go into the heart. Success to me is clearly defined as creating an impact in somebody else's life Success. Right now, I believe the greatest accomplishment is creating an impact on someone else's life that helps them reach their goal. So, for instance, the greatest accomplishment in my book it's not going to be something you read in my bio, it's like when someone says hey, man, heard your episode with Cam and it made me write my goals down. Cool, that's freaking awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now where this is going and my grand vision with this. So there's going to come a day in the near future not like immediately, but in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, in the near future not like immediately, but in the grand scheme of themes. Yeah, near future where I'm no longer in corporate and everything that I've been doing on the outside becomes my full time. So the podcast is the next step, for that is going fully in person.
Speaker 1:We just started doing in person interviews cool this year, getting studio space and, and my dream with that is when you open Apple Podcasts and you go to self-development trending like you see Wynn today, you see Ryan Cass and getting more big fish on there and then continuing to take my speaking keynotes to just larger scale where I'm traveling around the country and leading mastermind groups. And I also have a mastermind community outside of here called Champion Tribe that my good friend and inspirational speaker, chris Singleton and I launched. We've got a vision there that we've got like 100, 200 people in this group and that's really like everything that you see from me on social media outside of boeing like that will become my full time. That's where I'm going love it I love it.
Speaker 2:So you've got that vision for yourself, which not a lot of people have, right, um, not a lot of people are able to see what tomorrow holds, even um, and, and nor do they have their goals written now, which I think is a huge part of what you do. I think for me, one of the biggest things that I've maybe struggled with over the last number of years however many years, three or four or five years is I do things and I do them typically 100%. I don't really necessarily know what that next thing is. I don't really know necessarily where exactly it is that I want to go. I just know I want to do and keep doing and hopefully have the ability to keep doing cool things, hard things, et cetera. Like, you know, running the marathon Right, I've run one.
Speaker 2:You've run how many, I don't know. Yeah, exactly A lot, but it's like that's for me, it's like, ok, that's a hard thing, I want to go to the next thing. What's the next hard thing, ask, for me, it's like, okay, that's a hard thing, I want to go do the next one today. What's the next hard thing? Um, so, for people, that and maybe this is giving away too much, like coaching on the call um or on the podcast, but for people that are not directionless but trying to figure out that next step for themselves and trying to write it out, really set proper goals, what is maybe like a tip or two on how to properly set those goals for the next, for the near future, for yourself, maybe not forever, but for the near future.
Speaker 1:Three questions that people should ask themselves because, going back to what I mentioned earlier, that we're inundated with thoughts and a lot of what leads people to that state you just described is because they've got oh man, this would be really cool. No, it'd be really cool to launch a podcast. Oh, I'm gonna do a marathon, and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, yeah, and it becomes analysis, paralysis, and then you're stuck asking what am I gonna?
Speaker 2:do, which is always me, which I was. I was a terrible batter, um, in baseball growing up. Yeah, I never hit well, because I'd always think about it way too much. Yeah, it was always funny because my parents were like you. Just you think about it way too much. Yeah, stop looking at the ball, just swing, just do it. Yeah, okay, sounds like a point.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So here's a few things to create clarity.
Speaker 1:Sit down and ask yourself what's important to me and write down I mean write down everything that comes to mind, everything what's important to me, and then find out like as you look at it you're going to be like, oh, you're going to pull everything out of your brain, like it's actually like these three to five things that really mean the most to me and then from there, with those three to five things, I recommend more than five, like less equals more. What does success look like to me? Okay, if your fitness is really important to you, okay. What does success look like, I don't know? Like okay, running a marathon, doing hard things. Eventually you want to run an ultra marathon, whatever. Okay.
Speaker 1:And then a third one you can throw in there is how do I want to make an impact in that thing? But that's where you can get out of this inundation of thought and then create clarity as to what do you really value, what does success look like in that area and how do you want to create an impact? Another way to look at it is, let's say you and I are, you're sitting on a beach, you're sitting on Sullivan's Island and you're 80 years old and you're looking back on life. What would you have wanted to accomplish? What would you, what would you want to be able to say about your life if you were looking back on it and you're, and you're enjoying those later years.
Speaker 2:I think those questions are what can help people create a lot of clarity there's a um, there's a lot of people in your space I'm sure I'm going to say this just from my perspective a lot of people in your space don't hit this wrong way that come across as super pushy and not genuine. They lack authenticity. Um, this is I mean, this is like any space right in general, but this is what this is like. The vibe that I get from a lot of people in like self-development is like they're they're really not real people and they don't feel like they're. They connect with people. Well, they just push motivation because it seems motivating and it sounds good and it makes and I guess, for whatever reason, I think that confidence that exude is what makes people feel good.
Speaker 2:Um, I feel like you. You have a. I mean, obviously we're all learning over time. You have a kind of a different approach. Is that more like authentic? Hey, listen, I'm real. I'm not trying to sell you anything, I'm just trying to be a real person and connect with you on a deeper level. Has that taken time? A, that's my first question. And B, how have you kind of gotten to that point where you're like okay, I'm like genuinely going to value the person and their time and who they are as an individual first and then bring them into other things as time goes on. What is that transition? Not even transition. But what has that development been like for you? How have you developed to that point?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think vulnerability is really what you're speaking to, because there are some people I see that too that there are some people that, yeah, go, do, go, do, tough shit. Yeah, okay, well, what are you doing? Yeah, are you actually doing it? I mean, are you, are you walking the walk? And there are a lot of folks that, yeah, they've got the cool looking Instagram pages and a lot of followers and you know they'll get the 32nd clip. You know you should wake up early. And then these are the people that are also sleeping in until nine, 30, 30, but the clip looks cool, yep. So what I've found that works well is and the people that I appreciate the most are the ones that will show you like, yeah, sure, maybe they're, they're successful, they're motivational, whatever, but they also show you that, hey, like one, if I can do it, you can do it. Anyone can. Anyone can do any of these things that I'm sharing. It's not rocket science, but hey, man, I show people in my heart.
Speaker 1:I come from an alcoholic household. I wasn't the most gifted and talented person. I sucked at running. I can go on and on and on. I had terrible grades as normal as it gets but have committed to doing like these few things really well and very consistently, and I shared on this. I started a weekly email newsletter and I'll put a quote to ponder on there.
Speaker 1:If in this book this one's by John Maxwell you know, if you want to impress people, show them your successes. If you want to impact people, show them your mistakes and your failures. And I've found that by being more of an open book, sharing what I went through and I don't really come from a super special background people are like, oh okay, we can roll with that, and I'm not saying that you need to. People need to open up their, their laundry. They dump all their laundry out in the bag but like, what's one thing that you know you can show someone about you that you normally wouldn't and share that? Like don't just anybody can say wake up early, do the tough stuff. I mean, hey, I want you to wake up early because you know here's what I found by doing it, right, right, and boom, boom, boom, you know. So it's just, show people your heart and challenge yourself to maybe share one little piece of information that maybe you haven't before and you just keep building that muscle.
Speaker 2:So that's that vulnerability and authenticity that you show and exude, which is fantastic, and you also the, too, is when you say you're going to do something, you actually do it. You mentioned that earlier. I think that's 99% of it. Frankly, it's just like actually do it. Are you actually doing the thing you say you're going to do? I don't know that you necessarily said, hey guys, I'm doing all this and I'm going to go run a 100-miler.
Speaker 2:At some point you were like, oh, I'm gonna go run her 100 miler and I like I've gone back and forth because and just frankly, for me, running that marathon in december, I hadn't run more than 14 miles before then. I didn't really train for it like I should have. I trained but, looking back on it, not properly. Um, and so when I hit mile 16, mile 17, my body locked up and I was like, okay, I, I didn't actually do it right. I didn't actually train like I should have to be able to run it properly. Um, so when it comes to a hundred miler, what's kind of the, the mentality there, what was the a, what was the reason for it? And B, how did you mentally and physically train for a hundred miler, especially across a bridge, it's not like a flat hundred miler. So how did you train?
Speaker 1:for it? Yeah, uh, for. So why I did it? You know, did a hundred miler around a back and forth on the ravenel bridge to raise money for people that have lost a loved one or have a loved one that's battling some form of cancer.
Speaker 1:So running for me, yeah, it, it's meditation, it's also I love to compete and it's just I love it. It's a way to challenge the body, mind and soul and I want it to be something that's bigger than me. So I wear the same singlet every time I run, with it says breaking ribbons it's got three ribbons of people that have lost to various forms of cancer and I figure, hey, you know, when I'm out there running, challenging myself, I can honor some people and honor some people close to me, and then maybe that also inspires somebody to. You know, not to run a marathon, but just do something that's bigger than you, and it could be running, could be painting anything, anything, but again, just think about service to others. So that was my driving factor is let's do something really hard that can honor people.
Speaker 1:Because, going back to what you mentioned before, is hey, what are people more inclined to jump on? Okay, hey, I'm not just running a hundred miles because I want to. I do want to, but I also want to help families that are battling cancer, because I've lost people to various forms of cancer. So that's the why the training piece and the mental and physical prep. You know, one thing with ultra marathons is it's not like in a normal marathon getting ready for that. You know you'll go on like a 20-mile training run, 22-mile training run For a 100-miler. You're like, all right, I'm going to go crank out my 80-miler today. And that's why I asked that question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, do you run a percentage of it? Yeah, there's no way.
Speaker 1:No, I mean you get like in my case I'd never ran more than 20 miles on the bridge, but you get really good at running 20 milers at a. You know decent, just slow, decent pace, right. And you know you add those in like I think I was doing maybe once a week like anywhere from 15 to 20 on the bridge, and usually if you do that once like you'll be sore for a while. Yeah, so I just made sure I continued to repeat that put myself through some brutal workouts in the gym, lots of lunges, and again I'm just pushing my body to the brink where it's telling me no, and if you can just be 1% louder than the voice in your head or the voice on your shoulder, we can do so much Right. And so that was really the physical piece of it and the mental piece.
Speaker 1:Like here's what I love about life, man, and the tough moments that you know, going way back to the beginning of the discussion, all those tough moments that we endure and get through. The way I look at it is hey, those are gifts that are being given to you that you can use in the future. So, for instance, you know when I'm running back and forth, or you know I'm about to be running Boston this weekend like there's going to be times where it's going to suck, it's going to hurt, and I'm going to be thinking about, hey, like remember that little boy, that that made that promise and what the times were like there. You made it through that, so you can make it through mile 92, or you can go pump out a fast mile here at 23 even though you're hurting, right. So I love taking those things. And again, how can you flip it? Find the positive, what's the goodness? And, like david goggin says, you can put those things like you create a mental cookie jar. So that's really how I get ready for this stuff. Man, that's cool.
Speaker 2:Boston man, that's going to be awesome. Is this your second time doing it? Second, yeah, okay. What did you just do in New York? Didn't you recently or this past year?
Speaker 1:No, no, I haven't done New York yet.
Speaker 2:Planning on doing New York.
Speaker 1:did I see something about that recently, though that you're planning on doing new york I plan to do all the majors okay, and actually I was, uh, one of the 96 percent that didn't get into the new york lottery this year, but I am qualified for 2025 so it's kind of wild, because I always thought that it was like oh, you run a sub three, you're getting in, sort of thing.
Speaker 2:But now it's changed. Right, we're like, oh, I guess a lot of people are running sub threes and yeah, and there's just a lot of people on the list, so it is a lottery of sorts, is that correct?
Speaker 1:or is that boston? That's boston, yeah, boston. So to qualify, and then boston. There is no lotteries like you have to qualify, got it, and that's part of what makes it so special. And yeah, the requirements for 18 to 34 year old males you have to run a sub three marathon because there's so many people that do that. Now. There's usually a cutoff from that time, so this year you had to be five minutes and 26 seconds faster, so you had to be like a 254 something wild, so I barely snuck in. I'd like 19 second buffer and then just working.
Speaker 2:uh, I don't think people like that are not runners and if you ever run, if you've ever like actually run and tried to run a long distance, um race, before running a sub three is crazy. So I didn't see these guys doing whatever they do two 20s, two 30s, I mean two flats. I guess that was the fastest time. I was like run it at two. Didn't he run those sub one, two, but in a like?
Speaker 1:they had. It was like controlled environment. Yeah, elliot kipchoge ran a 159 40, but even then it's like still controlled or not, I don't care.
Speaker 2:Dude the guy, but he like people running in front of him to like yeah, yeah 432 pace for two hours.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1:I can't like that's like we could probably sprint at a 432 for about 10 seconds. Yeah, and I'm like he's just chilling at that pace like it's it's unreal. But you know, what's really cool about elliot is watch. There will be people that eventually will run 159s regularly because all it takes is one person to show you what's possible. Like elliot says, I believe no human is limited. That was actually the quote when he finished that that run. Yeah, and four minute mile same thing. Roger banister, first one to break it. Now a sub four mile is common in ncaas and international track and field because going back to one took one person to show.
Speaker 2:Here's what you can do and you say it's common, but it's still, in general, still super uncommon. So it's super rare to be able to do that. And I think it's common, but it's still, in general, still super uncommon, so it's super rare to be able to do that and I think it's it's a feat to be able to run like a sub three. Right, it's still a feat in and of itself and I don't know that. You know, when you're doing it, when you're around people, you probably do this all the time where you compare yourself to other people that are in your, in your same bracket. Right, like it's still super rare and an incredible accomplishment to be able to get anywhere close to a three in the first place.
Speaker 2:But then to think about running a two, like I, I didn't run anywhere close to a three during my marathon and so I'm like, okay, my goal is eventually to get down into the low threes, but to think about the pain that I went through during the marathon, I can only imagine what it might feel like to to be able to eventually accomplish something in the twos, um, and how cool that's gonna be when it basically does happen. Yeah, ultimately I'd like for it to happen Absolutely, but I know there's a lot more running that has to, has to occur for that, for that to be the case. That's all super cool, let's just put it that way, and I'm super impressed just across the board with the, with the running, with the work, with all the extracurriculars. Um, is there anything else on the running side, any tips you would provide people with, just just to get into running or to become a better runner day to day?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this seems counterintuitive. I know it was a tough lesson for me to learn, but to a like, even to get fast and to run for a long time, spend the majority of your time running slow 80, 70 to 80 percent of my runs, and even the elites, like, are relatively slow, like one to two minutes off the pace that you're racing at. So you would think like so you're telling me to run a sub three hour marathon. So that's at minimum. Let's just say you're going to run a two, 59, 59. Right, that's a six, 51 pace for a mile, right? So I would say I want you to to be able to do that. You'll get there. I'm going to say, all right, cam, like, the majority of your runs probably want you chilling around like a seven, 45 to eight, 30 pace.
Speaker 1:You think what the hell Like? You think what the hell like, why would I do that? Like? How are you like that? That's, that's not even close, right?
Speaker 1:So you're building that aerobic capacity first, and then it's like and then you keep doing that, build that base and then you throw like a speed day in once a week and a long run in once a week. So let's just say, let's just say you're gonna to run five times a week, three of them, so 60%, and even really four of them. We'll just say four of them should be easy. It's going to feel like you're being lazy, but you're going to feel like I can do so much more. And then you throw a challenging speed day in there and then alternate the speed day out, switch that with a long run Right, and you just keep building from there. So that's the best advice. And then, second piece is change your shoes regularly. So on my goal board I rotate through three different pairs of shoes. After every run I literally mark the mileage like, okay, here's the mileage on this shoe, this shoe, this shoe, because I've made the mistake before of before. If, okay, these shoes are still fine, yeah. And then you get injured and you mess it up.
Speaker 2:So how many miles per shoe are you running like? Is there like a?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's out of 200, 300 a shoe uh, in my just every day, like trainers about 400 miles, uh, tempo speed shoe about two to three hundred, and then race shoes like no more than 150. Wow, because those ones lose the pop. What shoes are you wearing? I only wear. Rather, I'm loyal to the sponsor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I know if you're listening, you know we want to pick up a one of the slower guys that the sock and the Endorphins like that whole Endorphin series. So the Endorphin Shift is their trainer, speed is their tempo shoe and then the Pro is their race shoe. I've been wearing their models for the last gosh five years. I love them. But you can't go wrong with Brooks or Asics. You can find what's best for you and Hoka's, hoka's, brooks or a6, or just find what's best for you and tokas, hokas. Uh, hokas are like moon boots, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, I don't like that's kind of why I like them, but I feel like I'm floating to a certain degree yeah, that's why war.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, they're a cushion band.
Speaker 2:They're super cushiony. I feel like it kind of it doesn't sprinting, there's no spring to it, it just kind of feels like you're floating. Uh, after a while they do feel kind of heavy early on, but then, as you keep going, you're like okay, I think you get used to it. Yeah, um, so I'm a huge fan of hocus pocus. I've got a pair of soccer movies as well. Um, but to your point, I have not been like switching between miles. I've not been running here as many miles, but I feel like I need to. I need to rotate the messages a little bit more. Yeah, um, that's like that's a good tip. That right, so do you? Um? Do you ever follow the bpn? Are you a BPN app fan?
Speaker 1:I don't have the app, but I love BPN. I take their supplements. I love G1M Sport. Okay, I love their gels are amazing. They taste like candy. That's good to know. That's what I use. Yeah, I love candy. That's what I use during the marathons. I like the apple cinnamon one more than the mixed berry that just came out Cool. Apple cinnamon, one more than the mixed berry that just came out cool. And then I take their creatine as well, taking the in focus. Like, yeah, nick bear, what he's done there, just built an amazing community, an empire of sorts. Yeah, I mean, you want to talk about a guy that, again, just like, is out there to show you what's possible. Right, and and I love that he's dispelling this myth too that, like people say, oh man, if I, if I get big, then I'll get slow. It's like, no, nick is really, I think, pioneered, this hybrid athlete. Right, like, no, you can be big and fast. Right, you have to work, you got to put in a lot of freaking work, but like you can do it.
Speaker 2:That's kind of like my ultimate goal is like I would love to become more of a hybrid athlete. I think I I grew up being very much so like a sprinter, short distance kind of guy, like slightly bow legged, and so it was always. It was always sprinting, and I'm also much shorter and then so, like being shorter or lower to the ground, I was like OK, I'm a sprinter, so the long distance is never a thing for me. I think my shift has been to hybrid longevity and just focusing on overall health while drinking a Monster. Of course, that's fantastic, monster Zero. You're welcome, monster, for the shout out.
Speaker 2:But I was talking to a mentor and a friend of mine recently and we were just kind of having this conversation about people who do hard things and I mentioned something about longevity. Like a lot of this is like I want to be overall healthy, I want to feel good, I want to sleep well and I have great energy and I want longevity. And he made a comment about how people who do really really hard things he's like he'd be curious to know if there's actually an increase in your lifespan from doing really really hard things, like during your life. He's like I wonder he's like. He's like I feel like there's actually an increase in your lifespan from doing really really hard things like during your life. He was like I wonder he's like. He's like I feel like there's no correlation between people who do hard things, like Muhammad Ali did really hard things. He was incredible. He's like he didn't live super long. He's like so is there really a correlation? And the more I thought about it this happened the other night the more I thought about it. I was like I'm not doing really hard things for longevity. I don't really I don't want to be around people who are doing hard things for longevity. I want to be around people who are doing hard things because it's going to make the time down here much more enjoyable to be around people that are pushing themselves, become the best version of themselves.
Speaker 2:And that was where it kind of clicked for me. I was like it's, I don't care, I don't, I really don't care what people think. I'm going to keep trying to do hard things, um, because it makes me feel good. It makes me feel better, yeah, about myself, and just mentally mental clarity only. But the physical side is great, um, and I think recently on the name of the guy, um, but uh, chris, you know his last name, but he was recently on with uh, pierce morgan.
Speaker 2:Pierce morgan asked him about you know, whether mental or physical health came first, and uh, he responded and he said that physical health comes first and that mental comes second. So I'm curious to know your thoughts on that one. I thought it was a great question. So what's more important first? Is it mental or is it physical health? And the this individual's response was that physical was more important, because his mental health is much better because of his physical health. Whenever he goes to the gym, he pushes himself and from that comes mental clarity. Maybe it's a chicken and the egg sort of situation, but in your opinion, is it mental health first focus wise? Should you focus on your mental health first or should you focus on your physical health first? It's?
Speaker 1:interesting. You know. I think that I believe that physical definitely feeds mental because, yeah, when you're out there pushing yourself in a tough workout or run or even a cold think, your body, your mind's really thinking about survival and and everything else is wiped away right. So I do see that physical will give you a mental boost. I think mental health, I would put mental health over physical, knowing that if my mind is clear, if I know what I want in my life, if I'm monitoring all of my thoughts and my self talk and dialogue, then you know things are going to be go pretty well. And what keeps the self-talk positive and what keeps the intentionality there is, I guess, by doing the tough stuff and telling people like, hey, here's what I'm working on, here, I'm focused on.
Speaker 1:So no man, I'm a huge proponent for both. But knowing what I know and talking to so many different people on the pod, like I mean, you kind of have a clear mind. But how do you have a clear mind? Well, work out, that's one way. Right, write down what you want that's another way. You know. So I guess I'm in the middle. Yeah, you got to have both.
Speaker 2:I think I'm right there with you. It was a solid question and I was just like I saw a clip of it yesterday, yeah, I was thinking myself. I was like, wow, that's a, that's a deep one. It's a lot harder to answer than you think and it really is a chicken or the egg, yeah sort of situation too, and it's kind of like a I mean an existence. You should keep that in the back pocket and ask some more guests.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's. There's a few questions that I'll always ask people. Yeah, that's a really intriguing one that can drive a whole set of conversation, probably Probably talking to you for a couple hours. You could go down a lot of rabbit trails with that one. I like that. I might steal that one. Feel free to. Feel free to.
Speaker 2:You outside of everything we've discussed up to this point, all the running, the personal development, professional development for individuals, work related with Boeing what have we maybe not hit on right? What, what else? And I say, what do you do out? So what do you do outside of that right? I mean, I feel like running take. I now know how much time running takes up. Right now is my hardest thing was getting into running. I was like I had this is taking up so much time almost got in my head about it because I was like I'm I maybe I don't feel near as good because I feel like I'm in my head about running because I was running so all the time. Um, but what do you do when you're not doing those things? And then, what are you? What are your other interests? What are kind of like the fun?
Speaker 1:interests. Yeah, the goal, yeah, actually you know so. So I guess we haven't had on the community as much. But I believe the best gift is to is to give back. And another thing that, uh, yeah, I'm involved in the community. I involved in big brothers, big sisters, got a little brother, josiah, and then I do volunteer with the first tee and teach kids golf.
Speaker 2:Okay, cool on saturdays down at patriot's point.
Speaker 1:You play golf in high school. No, but golf was my first sport growing up and knowing what I know now about. You know because most of our friends now are starting like either get married or and or have kids, yeah, and then you start to notice in your mid, late 20s, 30s that, holy smokes, like, can't spend that much time with most of my friends now because they've got kids. Okay, well, if you involve your kids in your hobby, then boom. So my dad put a golf club in my hand when I was like three years old and I became obsessed with golf.
Speaker 1:And looking back, dude, I know why you did that now. Because you know you tell mom you're going golfing, hey, I'm bringing Ryan. Okay, it's okay, go for it. You know Love it. So, no, I just I've always played and, yeah, I've always played. And yeah, I was like, hey, if I can combine my love for giving back with my love of sports, that's like the best combination ever. So, yeah, I do spend a lot of time in the community and helping people and I think that's also another thing that feeds your mental health. Right, go help someone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very true, right, how, like, how easy is it to like to do something for somebody else where it's like, hey, I could literally do this right now. Yeah, it'd make me feel that much better if I just did it. Yeah, but instead we have a lot, of, a lot of times we sit here in our own head and like, what, why am I not doing enough? Or like why is there? It's like you can ease, there are plenty of ways to get involved.
Speaker 1:yeah, plenty of things you can do part of how you can help yourself is go help someone else, right, right.
Speaker 1:So it seems pretty simple, right at the end of the day, just no matter doing it, dude all this stuff is simple, yeah, like there's nothing complex or rocket science about anything we've talked about, about anything that I'll preach, anything that even the hundreds of people I've interviewed now and some of them are you know way the heck up there I've never heard anything that they've said or recommended to do that you and I couldn't do so a lot of those guys, they just did it right, and I feel like there's a lot of to our conversations earlier too.
Speaker 2:You, you sit here and you're you're critical of yourself, you're critical of what you're creating, you're critical of your of literally everything, and then you kind of get your own head and you don't actually produce it. You don't actually create it, yeah, and there's that aspect of it which is huge, I think it's. It is talked about often, but also it's not presented properly, in my opinion. Or people will be like, oh, just do it, and you're like, okay, it's not that, not that easy, right, which are like, at the end of the day, it really is that easy. Yeah, just go start. Yeah, just start the thing. Yeah, and keep it going. If people are critical of you along the way, frankly you probably shouldn't care, because there's not going to be people that are going to support you in getting to your goals. Yeah, so golf, that's great. Are you into? Hey, dan, I'm not going to get on this, rob. Are you? Um, are you into like geopolitics, anything else? I like to stay informed.
Speaker 1:UFOs, not UFOs, but I do believe it's important to be informed. Yeah, I'm not very vocal about my stance. At the end of the day, yeah, if, like, here's the way I look at just, we look at politics for a second, look, you've got two choices. I mean, I know there's more parties, but generally speaking, you have two choices. Yeah, if you're this way, if you're left or right, great man, like, are we really gonna say, because you're right and I'm left, or vice versa, right, I don't like you. Like, there's a literally, it's a flip of a coin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, is it possible to say that 50 of americans or just we look at the world are bad because they view this thing now, as long as it's not evil. I can't support that. But, um, I'm of the uh, be a good person, party and respect others and and seek the story behind the stance. That's what, that's what I would encourage people to do in life. Man, seek the story behind the stance. Hey, why do you believe in that? Right? Oh, because when I was a child, boom, boom, boom or whatever. You're like, oh, cool man.
Speaker 2:Suicide and family relationships were destroyed. Family relationships and friendships were destroyed over politics. This has been forever. This is not like new. This has always been the case, but it's just been more um, uh, prevalent as of late with social media and our ability to access information immediately, and so I feel like it tore more families apart the last couple of elections and never has before. You mix in covid and everything else too, so we're all hit and bombarded with this information constantly.
Speaker 2:It's just, it is super sad, in my opinion, to watch it destroy connections like that when, at the end of the day, to your point, I think the vast majority of people are on that same page but they want to be there. But then there's also this tribalizing aspect of it, where people feel like they have to be, whereas I feel like people like us sit kind of in the middle and we're like, hey, we're, we want to to get the right people involved. We get the right people involved in our businesses, our community, our politics, um, but oftentimes, um, we are uh pushed to the side because we're not a part of the in crowd. They're not radical enough, right, yeah? And I think a lot of people are like, well, if I'm. If I'm not radical enough, I'm trying to be quiet. No, no, that's not it Like you're not radical enough, that's. That's a great thing. You're actually thinking right. You're not just polarized, you're not just allowing yourself to be pulled to one side or the other, and that's what I appreciate about people who do kind of talk through and they avoid politics for the most part.
Speaker 2:A lot of people avoid politics for the most part, which is very necessary. But I think also it's good for people to open up and say hey, listen, there's more than two ways of thinking about this. Yeah, plainly, the thought process, absolutely. So be okay with that and be able to think about and analyze things a different way, which is super cool. Um, well, I, um, I really appreciate you taking the time to to hop on, uh, from a podcast perspective. Here's a good final one. If anybody's kind of considering jumping into this space, doing what you've done, creating a podcast of their own, um, any tips you maybe have for somebody who's kind of in the early stages of considering doing it, considering taking the next step?
Speaker 1:yeah, I wish I could leave it at, do it, yeah, but here's a few things, because here's, here's what may be, here's what people are probably thinking about, because I know I did and I'm sure you may have had these thoughts too. All right, uh, what?
Speaker 2:are people going to think about?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know, wow, like, when I put it out there, what are people going to make fun of me? Or hey, I'm not. Uh, I'm not as popular as the cameron brown show. Or I'm not as popular as you know what's, what's? A few that everybody, joe rogan, or everyone knows about. Joe rogan, impact Diary of a CEO can go on and on and on. None of those podcasts became what they were on episode one or episode two, episode three. So recognize and I wish that you know whoever's listening, if they want to start, I wish it's the biggest hit in the world right off the bat. Like I'm rooting for you, man, it might not. It's probably not going to be. Yeah, the bat like I'm rooting for you, man, it might not. It's probably not gonna be. Yeah, so take the messy action. Recognize that it's not gonna be perfect right off the bat. If you want to see a real example of that, yeah, go back to episode one, two, three, four of mine.
Speaker 2:You're like whoa dude I actually did that in compiling. Starting this, I went to people's episode one and I was like now I don't feel near as bad and like Joe Rogan's episode one is, it's, it's awful, but like it's. I mean, once again they talk and it's, it's great, but like the quality of it is obviously not. It's not what it is now.
Speaker 1:If this will encourage anyone. My first episode was a zoom meeting with my laptop no mic, no speakers, nothing, no headphones, no lights. And here we are now. Don't be afraid, put it out there. Know it's going to get better as you practice. It's really as simple as that. Tell people what you're doing so they can check in on you, support you, throw guests your way, like I want to know how I can help you and what type of people are you looking for, because I'm genuinely interested and invested in your success and I know what it's like being in your shoes and I but I also like dude I can see where this can go for you if you simply don't stop right so anyone can do it. My first ones were horrible. I think that people's first ones will be a lot better than mine. Uh, because it sucked not and it was, and it was on me, not on the guest. Just do it just do it.
Speaker 2:They can just learn from like our mistakes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah man, don't buy a bunch of. You. Don't need to buy ten thousand dollars worth of stuff like I have seventy dollar mic and uh, and if you really want to just get a, you can use cell phones or you can use a logitech camera, plug it in your computer, right like you can start a podcast for less than a 100 bucks and just go. You do a lot of things for less than 100, absolutely, you know. But again, like what I believe, what stops most people is, again, it's just those, it's the limiting beliefs, and recognize that nobody was an expert on day one. There's there's this quote that made me think about earlier and I was gonna say but here it is. Now there is somebody in the world doing the exact thing that you want to do right now and they're having the same exact thoughts what if this, what if that? But the only difference is they're actually doing the thing and continuing to take action and you're waiting.
Speaker 2:That's it so true, so true. So take action, do it. And you mean you said messy action, where that's true. Take messy action, yeah, and screw it, just go for it, just go, just go and don't stop. I want to say yolo, but yolo yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1:No, I mean I'll if. I don't know if this is the last part, but here's a really powerful thing, man. It's just. One of my favorite books is who, not how. And by. Dan sullivan leads a strategic coach, great company.
Speaker 1:As I was reading that book, he talked about the definition of hell, and this is what I'll say is like, I believe, the greatest fear in life at least in my life but the greatest fear in life, or the definition of hell as quoted in this book, is you go through this life and say you know, do some awesome things. And let's say that you wanted to start the podcast and you had this vision that it was up to like the Joe Rogan level, level. You know you had these thoughts in your mind. When you're walking, you're showering, you're running, like you can see it, but you didn't take the action on it. And then, depending on what you believe in, you know I believe I'm gonna. When the big man calls me up, you know I'm gonna go to heaven.
Speaker 1:Uh, the definition of hell is you go through the life and then you know you, you get introduced to the person you could have become, or the person you had inside of you the whole time. Uh, the richest place in the world is the graveyard, because of all the people that had so much in them that left it inside themselves because they didn't take the first step. So just take the first step. Don't meet who you could have had in you. Find out who you have in you by taking the messy action and course correcting the messy action.
Speaker 2:I think it might have to be that. That's like my quote of the day. It's going to be used very frequently. Are there any other books that you suggest that people read in there? So we talk about the professional and personal development side of things. Uh, if you're in the kind of you're moving towards listening to more personal development podcasts, you're trying to get into better books. Um, outside of the the mainstream books, which ones would you? Or is there a book or two that you maybe suggest people read?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean my favorite one, the person like I consider this the personal development Bible is Atomic Habits by James Clear. Now, I guess that's big enough to probably be considered mainstream One that people might not know as much about. That. I mean, it's not as big as Atomic Habits. Is the Power of One More by Ed Milet, fantastic book. And then who, not how? Actually a lot of people don't know about that one. Yeah, who, not how?
Speaker 2:by Dan Sullivan. I know, and my light too. I just I've never. I didn't know that was this book, but that's good to know yeah.
Speaker 1:And then the gap and the gain by Dr Ben Hardy. Okay, fantastic.
Speaker 2:On great suggestions, likely going to drop those in the description and the show notes awesome for people to check out, um out. So, once again, everything we've discussed and I think it's been super powerful and impactful and I know you've had a huge impact on a lot of different individuals, uh, over the years. Um, but what is something you'd maybe want to leave people with? Just, uh, we now and I'll drop all your information below so I would be able to get in touch with you or find you but what is, uh, one thing or a couple things you maybe want to leave people with? Just to kind of send them off properly as they, they close out and if they've gotten to the end of this podcast and take away and be like, wow, that was super impactful, super valuable information, so I can just do it we've talked about now a number of times. I'll leave you with my winner framework.
Speaker 1:okay, and we've covered it all in this discussion too Like okay, you want to win in life. We're going to spell out winner. Write down what you want, write out your goals, identify what it is that's most important to you in your life. Notify people, make sure people know what it is that's most important to you in your life. Notify people, make sure people know what it is that you wrote down, based off what's important to you. Because now we're getting to that. Okay, that 42, 70, 90 that we talked about before.
Speaker 1:Okay, goals are great, but what gets you there is by building a system. Your systems are built off of your habits and your discipline and your habits are built off of your habits and your discipline and your habits are fueled off of your discipline. So, normalize the behaviors that align to your goals, eliminate limiting beliefs and talk. I think the number one word that people overuse, that people should eliminate from their vocabulary, is try, because when you say you're going to try to launch a podcast, you're going to try to go work out in the morning. You're going to try to launch a podcast. You're going to try to go work out in the morning. You're going to try to wake up. What you're telling your mind and your subconscious is that it's optional, versus, hey, I'm going to wake up early, I'm going to go run the marathon, I'm going to do X, y, z.
Speaker 1:Now, life might get in the way at times, but you're not giving yourself that mental option. Then the r's is just repeat, repeat, repeat, believe. If you do that. Really, that's what we've captured here. Anything that you want in this life, anything that we want, we desire, it's never a matter of if, it's simply a matter of when. Don't stop any, what you can do anything. I don't come from much, come from a broken household, and here we are. It doesn't matter if you came from the best of backgrounds, which I wish that for everybody but the reality is is that if we look at our lives, it's on a chart, it's a bunch of peaks and valleys. With that framework, there's nothing we can't do, and that's what I wish that more people in this world get and understand and incorporate in their lives.
Speaker 2:It's a great way to wrap things up. My final question, though, before we fully wrap things up what is your time going to be in Boston?
Speaker 1:You already decided the goal is always to either PR and or win. So now I'll win against myself in Boston, Not going to oh yeah, I'm going to go win the Boston Marathon.
Speaker 2:That's a whole different level.
Speaker 1:So PR right now is 250-23. So breaking 250 would be. That's what I'm going for. That's plan A. Plan B Boston's a hard course is break three hours. That's that's what I'm gonna. That's what I'm going for. That's that's plan a. Plan b boston's a hard course is break three hours. So it gets really late, 17 through 21, but yeah, so like 249, 249 would be awesome wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, best of luck with that. Um, thanks again for for joining. This is my third episode uh of the camera brown show and counting and counting and we're going to keep it going and uh, really, really thankful to have people like you, uh in in my circle around me supporting um and uh and getting this thing to the next level. So thanks again for joining. Best of luck in boston. Appreciate the opportunity, man. Great seeing you, yeah.